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    EFI tuners?

    I'm wanting some information on EFI tuners for my 2010 96 in streetglide. I own a Screamin Eagle Pro race tuner the orange one but have not married it to the bike yet out of fear that it may void my ESP. This has led me to examine different EFI tuners like the Dynojet Power Vision or the Vance and Hines fuelpak fp3. I'm not sure which way to go I was going to be looking at stage 1 Screamin Eagle slip-ons and exhaust maybe decanting the head pipe and eventually a cam upgrade.

    Between the three I would like some advice on using them or which one I should stick to I do like the fact that the fp3 is Bluetooth and doesn't have any wires but I am also concerned that I only can go to Vance & Hines for maps for those of you that have used any of the above some advice would be greatly appreciated.
    Fuel Moto has a decent sale on the power Vision currently so I am being swayed in that direction but for all the things I mentioned previously I'm still not decided which way to go.

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    Anything except an H-D street tuner may void your ESP. Might as well use the tuner you have. It's a good one.
    2014 FLHXS: Sand Camo Denim
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    Security: Smart Siren II; Brukus TourPack Bullet Secure; Reda Saddlebag Locks; FOBO Tire Pressure Monitors; V-Twin Metal Valve Stems; Micro Start Kit W/Harness & Tire Inflator; Fuel Door Lock; Abus 7000 Disc Lock Alarm
    Engine: 103"; Line2Line Coated Stock Pistons; Andrews 57H cam; S&S Premium Tappets; CNC Ported Heads; SE Wide Band Auto-Tuning Module; SE Pro Super Tuner; SE High Flow Street Cannon Exhaust; SE A&S Clutch Kit; Rekluse Centrifugal Clutch Pack; Dipstick Temp Gauge; S&S Stealth Air Cleaner; Yuasa GYZ Battery, 1.4 kW Starter; Amsoil; Mighty Might Cooling Fans & Accy Switch; GMR Compensaver; Pingel Shifter Shaft; High Output Charging System; SE Spark Plugs & Wires
    Handling: Cartridge Fork Dampening; Amsoil Suspension Oil; 18" Front Wheel; Floating Brake Rotors; EBC HH Brake Pads; Dunlop American Elite Tires; Ohlins HD 773 Shocks
    Comfort: Police Solo Saddle with Coil-Over Suspension; Extended Reach Footboards; SoftBrake 1 Extended Brake Lever & Reduced Reach Clutch Lever; Extended Shift Levers; Fairing Air Deflectors; Freedom 14" Windshield; Klock Werks Ergo Up Bars; Get-A-Grip Hand Grips; Kuryakyn Magnum Plus Mirrors
    Infotainment: Ultra Tank Console with Headset Connection & CVO Insert; Hidden Radio Antenna; GPS Map Update
    Luggage: Four Point Docking Hardware; Solo Tour-Pak Mounting Rack; King Tour-Pak and Lining; Tour-Pak Wall Organizer; Premium King Travel-Pak; Chopped Backrest Pad; Premium Saddlebag Travel-Paks; Innovative Storage Solutions Tool Bags; Saddle Bag Guard Bags & Bottle Holders
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    Well I sold the SE tuner to a friend and bought a street tuner to be safe on my ESP for now. I spent a lot on the ESP and don't want issues with it.
    I am about to install my SE night stick 80881-10 on my factory 2into 1 header along with SE Air cleaner 29260-08.
    My question is this, inside both race tuner software packages Pro and street there is a setting under the fuel to set it to 10% ethenol. When selected it changes the AFR to low 14's if memory serves me.
    In my mind, wouldn't that be a preferred setting with or without the presence of ethenol?
    Isn't running a bit richer that 14.6 better for power and keeping the engine cool?
    There are many gas stations that run up to 10% ethanol and you never know where you will have to get gas in the road. You often won't have the luxury of being picky a bout fuel on the road.

    Are there any consolation to selecting this option and what is recommended?

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    That setting only changes the displayed data on your computer screen. It does nothing to the bike. The bike automatically corrects the AFR with ethanol present. The sensors in the exhaust are Lambda sensors. They measure the ratio of actual AFR to stoichiometry. The fueling needed for a stoichiometric mixture changes with ethanol added. In this way the bike corrects automatically.
    2014 FLHXS: Sand Camo Denim
    H-D Parts Except as Noted: updated 07-Jan-2019
    Front Lighting: Illuminated Hand Control Switches; Auxiliary Lamp Kit; Norman 3000K LED Lamps W/PAR 36 Amber Lens Covers; JW Speaker Evolution II LED Headlight; Amber LED Turn Signals
    Rear Lighting: LED Light Bar; Tri-Bar Fender Brake Light; Tour-Pak and Saddlebag Run/Brake/Turn LED Lamps
    Chrome: Fork Sliders & Covers; Axle Spacer; Fairing Skirt; Curved License Frame; Classic Timer Cover; Docking Point Covers; Windshield Trim; Rear Saddlebag Guards; Radio Trim; Stealth Tour-Pak Rack; Tour-Pak Lamp Trim; Smooth Horn Cover; Saddlebag Hinge Covers; Landmark Fat Round Shift Linkage; Klock Werks Flush Front Axle; Inner Primary Housing; Solenoid Cover; Chopped Engine Guard; Front Engine Mount & Link; Arlen Ness Smooth A/C Cover; Oil Cooler Protection Screen; Kuryakyn Fender Accents and Trim
    Security: Smart Siren II; Brukus TourPack Bullet Secure; Reda Saddlebag Locks; FOBO Tire Pressure Monitors; V-Twin Metal Valve Stems; Micro Start Kit W/Harness & Tire Inflator; Fuel Door Lock; Abus 7000 Disc Lock Alarm
    Engine: 103"; Line2Line Coated Stock Pistons; Andrews 57H cam; S&S Premium Tappets; CNC Ported Heads; SE Wide Band Auto-Tuning Module; SE Pro Super Tuner; SE High Flow Street Cannon Exhaust; SE A&S Clutch Kit; Rekluse Centrifugal Clutch Pack; Dipstick Temp Gauge; S&S Stealth Air Cleaner; Yuasa GYZ Battery, 1.4 kW Starter; Amsoil; Mighty Might Cooling Fans & Accy Switch; GMR Compensaver; Pingel Shifter Shaft; High Output Charging System; SE Spark Plugs & Wires
    Handling: Cartridge Fork Dampening; Amsoil Suspension Oil; 18" Front Wheel; Floating Brake Rotors; EBC HH Brake Pads; Dunlop American Elite Tires; Ohlins HD 773 Shocks
    Comfort: Police Solo Saddle with Coil-Over Suspension; Extended Reach Footboards; SoftBrake 1 Extended Brake Lever & Reduced Reach Clutch Lever; Extended Shift Levers; Fairing Air Deflectors; Freedom 14" Windshield; Klock Werks Ergo Up Bars; Get-A-Grip Hand Grips; Kuryakyn Magnum Plus Mirrors
    Infotainment: Ultra Tank Console with Headset Connection & CVO Insert; Hidden Radio Antenna; GPS Map Update
    Luggage: Four Point Docking Hardware; Solo Tour-Pak Mounting Rack; King Tour-Pak and Lining; Tour-Pak Wall Organizer; Premium King Travel-Pak; Chopped Backrest Pad; Premium Saddlebag Travel-Paks; Innovative Storage Solutions Tool Bags; Saddle Bag Guard Bags & Bottle Holders
    Appearance: CVO Black Gauges; Carbon Fiber Gauge Panel; De-badged Gas Tank; Skull Emblems over Fairing Mirror Holes; Diamond Engineering 12 Point Engine Screws; Allen Hole Plugs; Piston Muffler End Caps

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulkss View Post
    That setting only changes the displayed data on your computer screen. It does nothing to the bike. The bike automatically corrects the AFR with ethanol present. The sensors in the exhaust are Lambda sensors. They measure the ratio of actual AFR to stoichiometry. The fueling needed for a stoichiometric mixture changes with ethanol added. In this way the bike corrects automatically.
    Ok good explanation thanks. .
    Is there a way to connect the street tuner and not flash a tune but modify my stock flash?
    I notice that in the help videos it talks about the original tune you can revert to.

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    The stock tuning files are in the H-D database provided with the software. Basically, the only meaningful thing you can modify are the volumetric efficiency (VE) tables. These apply any time the bike is running open loop and is not using the lambda sensors. This happens whenever you are accelerating quickly or applying a lot of throttle. Follow the online training and update the VE tables.

    If you do nothing, the bike will adapt over a few hundred miles but not as good as when you update the VE tables.
    2014 FLHXS: Sand Camo Denim
    H-D Parts Except as Noted: updated 07-Jan-2019
    Front Lighting: Illuminated Hand Control Switches; Auxiliary Lamp Kit; Norman 3000K LED Lamps W/PAR 36 Amber Lens Covers; JW Speaker Evolution II LED Headlight; Amber LED Turn Signals
    Rear Lighting: LED Light Bar; Tri-Bar Fender Brake Light; Tour-Pak and Saddlebag Run/Brake/Turn LED Lamps
    Chrome: Fork Sliders & Covers; Axle Spacer; Fairing Skirt; Curved License Frame; Classic Timer Cover; Docking Point Covers; Windshield Trim; Rear Saddlebag Guards; Radio Trim; Stealth Tour-Pak Rack; Tour-Pak Lamp Trim; Smooth Horn Cover; Saddlebag Hinge Covers; Landmark Fat Round Shift Linkage; Klock Werks Flush Front Axle; Inner Primary Housing; Solenoid Cover; Chopped Engine Guard; Front Engine Mount & Link; Arlen Ness Smooth A/C Cover; Oil Cooler Protection Screen; Kuryakyn Fender Accents and Trim
    Security: Smart Siren II; Brukus TourPack Bullet Secure; Reda Saddlebag Locks; FOBO Tire Pressure Monitors; V-Twin Metal Valve Stems; Micro Start Kit W/Harness & Tire Inflator; Fuel Door Lock; Abus 7000 Disc Lock Alarm
    Engine: 103"; Line2Line Coated Stock Pistons; Andrews 57H cam; S&S Premium Tappets; CNC Ported Heads; SE Wide Band Auto-Tuning Module; SE Pro Super Tuner; SE High Flow Street Cannon Exhaust; SE A&S Clutch Kit; Rekluse Centrifugal Clutch Pack; Dipstick Temp Gauge; S&S Stealth Air Cleaner; Yuasa GYZ Battery, 1.4 kW Starter; Amsoil; Mighty Might Cooling Fans & Accy Switch; GMR Compensaver; Pingel Shifter Shaft; High Output Charging System; SE Spark Plugs & Wires
    Handling: Cartridge Fork Dampening; Amsoil Suspension Oil; 18" Front Wheel; Floating Brake Rotors; EBC HH Brake Pads; Dunlop American Elite Tires; Ohlins HD 773 Shocks
    Comfort: Police Solo Saddle with Coil-Over Suspension; Extended Reach Footboards; SoftBrake 1 Extended Brake Lever & Reduced Reach Clutch Lever; Extended Shift Levers; Fairing Air Deflectors; Freedom 14" Windshield; Klock Werks Ergo Up Bars; Get-A-Grip Hand Grips; Kuryakyn Magnum Plus Mirrors
    Infotainment: Ultra Tank Console with Headset Connection & CVO Insert; Hidden Radio Antenna; GPS Map Update
    Luggage: Four Point Docking Hardware; Solo Tour-Pak Mounting Rack; King Tour-Pak and Lining; Tour-Pak Wall Organizer; Premium King Travel-Pak; Chopped Backrest Pad; Premium Saddlebag Travel-Paks; Innovative Storage Solutions Tool Bags; Saddle Bag Guard Bags & Bottle Holders
    Appearance: CVO Black Gauges; Carbon Fiber Gauge Panel; De-badged Gas Tank; Skull Emblems over Fairing Mirror Holes; Diamond Engineering 12 Point Engine Screws; Allen Hole Plugs; Piston Muffler End Caps

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulkss View Post
    The stock tuning files are in the H-D database provided with the software. Basically, the only meaningful thing you can modify are the volumetric efficiency (VE) tables. These apply any time the bike is running open loop and is not using the lambda sensors. This happens whenever you are accelerating quickly or applying a lot of throttle. Follow the online training and update the VE tables.

    If you do nothing, the bike will adapt over a few hundred miles but not as good as when you update the VE tables.
    "The stock tuning files are in the H-D database"
    How can I find and identify the one to my 2010 SG?

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    The tuner will automatically save the stock file from your bike when it pairs to it.

    Here's a file with just an air cleaner change:
    tuner snip.jpg
    2014 FLHXS: Sand Camo Denim
    H-D Parts Except as Noted: updated 07-Jan-2019
    Front Lighting: Illuminated Hand Control Switches; Auxiliary Lamp Kit; Norman 3000K LED Lamps W/PAR 36 Amber Lens Covers; JW Speaker Evolution II LED Headlight; Amber LED Turn Signals
    Rear Lighting: LED Light Bar; Tri-Bar Fender Brake Light; Tour-Pak and Saddlebag Run/Brake/Turn LED Lamps
    Chrome: Fork Sliders & Covers; Axle Spacer; Fairing Skirt; Curved License Frame; Classic Timer Cover; Docking Point Covers; Windshield Trim; Rear Saddlebag Guards; Radio Trim; Stealth Tour-Pak Rack; Tour-Pak Lamp Trim; Smooth Horn Cover; Saddlebag Hinge Covers; Landmark Fat Round Shift Linkage; Klock Werks Flush Front Axle; Inner Primary Housing; Solenoid Cover; Chopped Engine Guard; Front Engine Mount & Link; Arlen Ness Smooth A/C Cover; Oil Cooler Protection Screen; Kuryakyn Fender Accents and Trim
    Security: Smart Siren II; Brukus TourPack Bullet Secure; Reda Saddlebag Locks; FOBO Tire Pressure Monitors; V-Twin Metal Valve Stems; Micro Start Kit W/Harness & Tire Inflator; Fuel Door Lock; Abus 7000 Disc Lock Alarm
    Engine: 103"; Line2Line Coated Stock Pistons; Andrews 57H cam; S&S Premium Tappets; CNC Ported Heads; SE Wide Band Auto-Tuning Module; SE Pro Super Tuner; SE High Flow Street Cannon Exhaust; SE A&S Clutch Kit; Rekluse Centrifugal Clutch Pack; Dipstick Temp Gauge; S&S Stealth Air Cleaner; Yuasa GYZ Battery, 1.4 kW Starter; Amsoil; Mighty Might Cooling Fans & Accy Switch; GMR Compensaver; Pingel Shifter Shaft; High Output Charging System; SE Spark Plugs & Wires
    Handling: Cartridge Fork Dampening; Amsoil Suspension Oil; 18" Front Wheel; Floating Brake Rotors; EBC HH Brake Pads; Dunlop American Elite Tires; Ohlins HD 773 Shocks
    Comfort: Police Solo Saddle with Coil-Over Suspension; Extended Reach Footboards; SoftBrake 1 Extended Brake Lever & Reduced Reach Clutch Lever; Extended Shift Levers; Fairing Air Deflectors; Freedom 14" Windshield; Klock Werks Ergo Up Bars; Get-A-Grip Hand Grips; Kuryakyn Magnum Plus Mirrors
    Infotainment: Ultra Tank Console with Headset Connection & CVO Insert; Hidden Radio Antenna; GPS Map Update
    Luggage: Four Point Docking Hardware; Solo Tour-Pak Mounting Rack; King Tour-Pak and Lining; Tour-Pak Wall Organizer; Premium King Travel-Pak; Chopped Backrest Pad; Premium Saddlebag Travel-Paks; Innovative Storage Solutions Tool Bags; Saddle Bag Guard Bags & Bottle Holders
    Appearance: CVO Black Gauges; Carbon Fiber Gauge Panel; De-badged Gas Tank; Skull Emblems over Fairing Mirror Holes; Diamond Engineering 12 Point Engine Screws; Allen Hole Plugs; Piston Muffler End Caps

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    Yes that is the only stage 1 for my bike. The street tuner doesn't have an air cleaner and se slip-on for the 96"
    If there is one I couldn't find it.
    I wonder if there is one?

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    The same file shows up with performance exhaust selected.

    Tune.jpg
    2014 FLHXS: Sand Camo Denim
    H-D Parts Except as Noted: updated 07-Jan-2019
    Front Lighting: Illuminated Hand Control Switches; Auxiliary Lamp Kit; Norman 3000K LED Lamps W/PAR 36 Amber Lens Covers; JW Speaker Evolution II LED Headlight; Amber LED Turn Signals
    Rear Lighting: LED Light Bar; Tri-Bar Fender Brake Light; Tour-Pak and Saddlebag Run/Brake/Turn LED Lamps
    Chrome: Fork Sliders & Covers; Axle Spacer; Fairing Skirt; Curved License Frame; Classic Timer Cover; Docking Point Covers; Windshield Trim; Rear Saddlebag Guards; Radio Trim; Stealth Tour-Pak Rack; Tour-Pak Lamp Trim; Smooth Horn Cover; Saddlebag Hinge Covers; Landmark Fat Round Shift Linkage; Klock Werks Flush Front Axle; Inner Primary Housing; Solenoid Cover; Chopped Engine Guard; Front Engine Mount & Link; Arlen Ness Smooth A/C Cover; Oil Cooler Protection Screen; Kuryakyn Fender Accents and Trim
    Security: Smart Siren II; Brukus TourPack Bullet Secure; Reda Saddlebag Locks; FOBO Tire Pressure Monitors; V-Twin Metal Valve Stems; Micro Start Kit W/Harness & Tire Inflator; Fuel Door Lock; Abus 7000 Disc Lock Alarm
    Engine: 103"; Line2Line Coated Stock Pistons; Andrews 57H cam; S&S Premium Tappets; CNC Ported Heads; SE Wide Band Auto-Tuning Module; SE Pro Super Tuner; SE High Flow Street Cannon Exhaust; SE A&S Clutch Kit; Rekluse Centrifugal Clutch Pack; Dipstick Temp Gauge; S&S Stealth Air Cleaner; Yuasa GYZ Battery, 1.4 kW Starter; Amsoil; Mighty Might Cooling Fans & Accy Switch; GMR Compensaver; Pingel Shifter Shaft; High Output Charging System; SE Spark Plugs & Wires
    Handling: Cartridge Fork Dampening; Amsoil Suspension Oil; 18" Front Wheel; Floating Brake Rotors; EBC HH Brake Pads; Dunlop American Elite Tires; Ohlins HD 773 Shocks
    Comfort: Police Solo Saddle with Coil-Over Suspension; Extended Reach Footboards; SoftBrake 1 Extended Brake Lever & Reduced Reach Clutch Lever; Extended Shift Levers; Fairing Air Deflectors; Freedom 14" Windshield; Klock Werks Ergo Up Bars; Get-A-Grip Hand Grips; Kuryakyn Magnum Plus Mirrors
    Infotainment: Ultra Tank Console with Headset Connection & CVO Insert; Hidden Radio Antenna; GPS Map Update
    Luggage: Four Point Docking Hardware; Solo Tour-Pak Mounting Rack; King Tour-Pak and Lining; Tour-Pak Wall Organizer; Premium King Travel-Pak; Chopped Backrest Pad; Premium Saddlebag Travel-Paks; Innovative Storage Solutions Tool Bags; Saddle Bag Guard Bags & Bottle Holders
    Appearance: CVO Black Gauges; Carbon Fiber Gauge Panel; De-badged Gas Tank; Skull Emblems over Fairing Mirror Holes; Diamond Engineering 12 Point Engine Screws; Allen Hole Plugs; Piston Muffler End Caps

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