Death wobble

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In riding my 06 Street Glide recently, i noticed in the corners my bike shifting like a belt was loose in the tires. i researched it and i believe it to be the "death wobble" since the tires are new. my question is has anyone installed the "True Track" stablizer to the bottom end of the bike to correct this problem and how did it turn out? my bike has about 40K miles on it.
Thanks

P.S. theres also another company called CE Components who makes a stablizer kit for the wobble.

Anyone?
 
In riding my 06 Street Glide recently, i noticed in the corners my bike shifting like a belt was loose in the tires. i researched it and i believe it to be the "death wobble" since the tires are new. my question is has anyone installed the "True Track" stablizer to the bottom end of the bike to correct this problem and how did it turn out? my bike has about 40K miles on it.
Thanks

P.S. theres also another company called CE Components who makes a stablizer kit for the wobble.

Anyone?

We have a lot of folks running the Glide Pro Stabilizing System on '08 & later touring models and have received nothing but tremendous feedback so I'd encourage you to take a look at it. This system is a direct replacement of the factory swingarm pivot shaft and bushings that will significantly improve handling while also reducing vibration.

http://www.ironacesspeedshop.com/glide-pro-stabilizing-system/

Good luck with your search!!

Lindsey :0)
 
Anyone know the Rushmores are still experiencing the Death Wobbles? I do not see the Touring Link listed on Progressives Website for the 14s.
 
mine gets a wobble up when pushing it a little. I have been doing some research but not sure which way to go. The true track seems good but bloody pricey, unsure about these new Alloy art top mount ones yet so still waiting to hear some more input about them.
 
I have experienced the high speed wobble a few times... it was kinda weird at first since I was only at 98mph in a huge sweeper corner. Slowed to 95 and it went away... crept back up to 98 and I can 'feel' it building. I have to say that this could have been a low tire... not sure at this point... but it's been a while since I did it and don't go that fast all the time....:p

I never looked into the full dynamics of the frame change that was made in 2009... as to what changed ans why they changed it.
 
Had the death wobble many times on my 03 RKC but none yet on the SGS.....on the other hand I don't ride it 95 MPH through sweeping turns either as I typically ride 2 up with the wife and I just couldn't handle all the bruises if I did :D
 
I don't do it with my old lady on back... I would have more than bruises if she looked up from her phone and got off FB long enuf to notice...lol
 
I don't do it with my old lady on back... I would have more than bruises if she looked up from her phone and got off FB long enuf to notice...lol

Now that's some funny S**t right there :D
 
H-D made big changes to the stiffness of the touring bike chassis in 2009 and again in 2014. The bikes are much different and better now. The bottom line is all bikes wobble, hopefully in a safe and controllable way.

You can affect it a lot by how you load your bike, adjust ride height, handlebar selection, and tire pressure. Here is a brief description from Wikipedia:

Wobble or shimmy begins when some otherwise minor irregularity accelerates the wheel to one side. The restoring force is applied in phase with the progress of the irregularity, and the wheel turns to the other side where the process is repeated. If there is insufficient damping in the steering the oscillation will increase until system failure. The oscillation frequency can be changed by changing the forward speed, making the bike stiffer or lighter, or increasing the stiffness of the steering, of which the rider is a main component. While wobble or shimmy can be easily remedied by adjusting speed, position, or grip on the handlebar, it can be fatal if left uncontrolled.

The top five influences on wobble have been found to be lateral stiffness of the front tire, steering damper, height of bike center of mass, distance of bike center of mass from rear wheel, and cornering stiffness of the front tire.

An academic paper that investigated wobble through physical experimentation and computer modeling concludes: "the influence on wobble mode of front tire characteristics, front frame inertia and chassis stiffness were shown. In particular, it shows that by increasing front tire inflation, chassis stiffness, and front frame inertia about steering axis and decreasing side slip stiffness of front tire, wobble mode damping is improved, promoting vehicle stability."
 
H-D made big changes to the stiffness of the touring bike chassis in 2009 and again in 2014. The bikes are much different and better now. The bottom line is all bikes wobble, hopefully in a safe and controllable way.

You can affect it a lot by how you load your bike, adjust ride height, handlebar selection, and tire pressure. Here is a brief description from Wikipedia:

Wobble or shimmy begins when some otherwise minor irregularity accelerates the wheel to one side. The restoring force is applied in phase with the progress of the irregularity, and the wheel turns to the other side where the process is repeated. If there is insufficient damping in the steering the oscillation will increase until system failure. The oscillation frequency can be changed by changing the forward speed, making the bike stiffer or lighter, or increasing the stiffness of the steering, of which the rider is a main component. While wobble or shimmy can be easily remedied by adjusting speed, position, or grip on the handlebar, it can be fatal if left uncontrolled.

The top five influences on wobble have been found to be lateral stiffness of the front tire, steering damper, height of bike center of mass, distance of bike center of mass from rear wheel, and cornering stiffness of the front tire.

An academic paper that investigated wobble through physical experimentation and computer modeling concludes: "the influence on wobble mode of front tire characteristics, front frame inertia and chassis stiffness were shown. In particular, it shows that by increasing front tire inflation, chassis stiffness, and front frame inertia about steering axis and decreasing side slip stiffness of front tire, wobble mode damping is improved, promoting vehicle stability."

Thanks Hulkss... I knew you would come thru for us... you always do with the tech stuff.
 
H-D made big changes to the stiffness of the touring bike chassis in 2009 and again in 2014. The bikes are much different and better now. The bottom line is all bikes wobble, hopefully in a safe and controllable way.

You can affect it a lot by how you load your bike, adjust ride height, handlebar selection, and tire pressure. Here is a brief description from Wikipedia:

Wobble or shimmy begins when some otherwise minor irregularity accelerates the wheel to one side. The restoring force is applied in phase with the progress of the irregularity, and the wheel turns to the other side where the process is repeated. If there is insufficient damping in the steering the oscillation will increase until system failure. The oscillation frequency can be changed by changing the forward speed, making the bike stiffer or lighter, or increasing the stiffness of the steering, of which the rider is a main component. While wobble or shimmy can be easily remedied by adjusting speed, position, or grip on the handlebar, it can be fatal if left uncontrolled.

The top five influences on wobble have been found to be lateral stiffness of the front tire, steering damper, height of bike center of mass, distance of bike center of mass from rear wheel, and cornering stiffness of the front tire.

An academic paper that investigated wobble through physical experimentation and computer modeling concludes: "the influence on wobble mode of front tire characteristics, front frame inertia and chassis stiffness were shown. In particular, it shows that by increasing front tire inflation, chassis stiffness, and front frame inertia about steering axis and decreasing side slip stiffness of front tire, wobble mode damping is improved, promoting vehicle stability."
Awesome....thanks.jpg
 
I get it at much slower speeds than that and more so with the missus on the back. Took her for a ride today and even she noticed it. I notice it probably more on slower tighter corners. Anyway I picked up a near new front mount true trac and will get a rear mount soon to stiffen the frame right up.
 
Steve...

I see you have an SG.... and not the SGS.... are you getting the correct PSI in the rear suspension to compensate for the added weight of a passenger? I have the SGS, so I have a dial to adjust my preload in 10 lb increments. Not sure the exact math to get your suspension correct.
 
Hi mate, no air on mine and I replaced the oem shocks soon after buying the bike. The original shocks were the spring shocks with adjustable pre load but they were way too harsh. I have YSS shocks on now and had them custom made to suit my weight and riding conditions. I have played around with the pre load adjustment heaps and it is a fine line between being soft or harsh. I might try a little bit more pre load as well and see if that improves things without sacrificing ride comfort. Thanks for your help spazz, much appreciated.
 
In riding my 06 Street Glide recently, i noticed in the corners my bike shifting like a belt was loose in the tires. i researched it and i believe it to be the "death wobble" since the tires are new. my question is has anyone installed the "True Track" stablizer to the bottom end of the bike to correct this problem and how did it turn out? my bike has about 40K miles on it.
Thanks

P.S. theres also another company called CE Components who makes a stablizer kit for the wobble.

Anyone?

We've had a lot of experience through the years with selling both the Progressive Touring Link as well as the Alloy Art Frame Stabilizer. While both are good products that will help with the "death wobble" you are describing, we've received the best feedback from those who opted to go with the Glide Pro Stabilizing System (link below).

http://www.ironacesspeedshop.com/glide-pro-stabilizing-system/

This system replaces the stock swingarm pivot shaft with a completely redesigned shaft and includes heavy-duty polyurethane pivot shaft bushings along with replacement front / rear motor mounts. This system will not only reduce the amount of vibration on '08 & older HD touring models as well as provide a firmer ride that completely eliminates the described "death wobble" that is inherent on these older touring models.

Hopefully this helps and good luck with your search!!

Lindsey :0)
 
I have a touring link on my 07. did 412s at the same time and the difference is night and day. Best 400 ive spent yet. Made me forget about all of the "new frame" stuff I read about. While I know that the changes were made, I read about the same wobble on the new frame models as I do the lowly pre 09 models.
 
My dad has been riding for 40 years and told me that bikes with dual rear shocks and springs will wobble in turns because the shocks and springs load at different rates. It then transfers weight from side to side under load causing the wobble. I noticed rear wobble at 60-65 on expansion joints on curved bridges. Single shock bikes as less susceptible to wobble.

Rob
 
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Not necessarily true. Some single shock bikes have a centered shock. Others have it over on one side. Can't get worse than that for non-symmetry and they work fine. High structural stiffness is the key.
 
I could definitely see a single side shock having issues if there was a structural deficiency. Dad rode one of the new Indians, pushed it hard in a corner and it wobbled all over the road. He said they had some work to do with theirs.

Rob
 


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