2014 SGS Dual Halogen Headlight or Daymakers

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Getting ready to pull the trigger on a new '14 SGS, and have heard numerous thoughts on which is better. Both positive and negative for the Dual Halogen Headlight and those who have replaced them with the Daymaker. Please come up comm and let me know your thoughts and pic's would help.
 
I thought this was worth sharing with the group:
I sent an email to Daniel Stern at his company which is considered one of the premier lighting consultants. I asked him about the mediocre throw of the stock twin bulb HD headllight. This is what he had to offer:


Yes, the twin-bulb lamp looks nifty but is a poor performer. There's no magic bulb that kicks up its performance to where it needs to be.
The main problem you're up against is the optics in the stock headlamp.
They're focused to give a pretty wide spread of light, but there's not
enough seeing distance ahead.

Option 1-good halogen headlamp:

Put in a Cibie lens-reflector unit ($79)
and an Osram 70/65w bulb ($21.59, maybe get a spare), aim the lamp carefully
and correctly per http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html ,
and you'll find you're much better able to see at night. There are other sources for the Cibie headlamp I recommend, but I do believe I have the best price and I try hard to have the best service.

Proof of pudding, see http://www.hdforums.com/m_3263504/tm.htm

Option 2 - LED headlamp:

There are a couple of 7" round LED headlamps on the market. The one from Truck-Lite (same as the one from GE) costs around $325 and I have to say it's definitely better than Truck-Lite's first try at it, but oddly it is designed to the old sealed-beam photometric standard rather than the new-for-1998 upgraded photometric standard. The one from JW Speaker (in Wisconsin, 20 minutes away from Harley HQ) is a good performer, designed to the newer photometrics, and it is well made of good quality materials. Spendy, though; it costs around $450/ea, and some riders don't like its low beam performance characteristics. This can be bought through Harley Parts and Accessories (they call them the "Daymaker" LED headlamps). LED headlamps are still on the left (upward) side of the development curve; over the next five years we'll see more options with gradually increasing performance and gradually decreasing cost.

Option 3 - HID (Xenon) headlamp:

"HID kits" in halogen-bulb headlamps (any kit, any headlamp, any vehicle) do not work safely or effectively, which is why they are illegal. See http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html . This holds true whether you buy the "HID kit" and the headlamp housing together or separately.

There is exactly _one_ legitimate, legal, well-made, good-performing HID headlamp to fit your Harley. It is built around the Hella high/low-beam projector used in current-model higher-end Mercedes, BMWs, Audis, Porsches, etc. Beam performance is _vastly_ superior to what can be obtained with tungsten/halogen light bulbs in any optic unit, also much superior to any of today's LED headlamps. Bulb lifespan is about 10 years. Beam focus is broad, robust, and highly precise, with excellent control of glare and stray light; when these lamps are aimed correctly they are inoffensive to other road users on low beam. They are also fully road-legal. It is also very costly; price is about $659. This is easily the best-performing headlamp to fit a Harley; I keep it in stock.

"Passing" lamps:
If your Harley has passing lamps and you want to
upgrade them, be advised they will never provide much of
any light useful for seeing -- they're too small. However, they can be put
to good use as conspicuous lights to help other road users see you in time
to avoid doing something dumb in front of you. The original units create a
beam only 11 degrees wide. You can replace these beam units with selective
yellow wide-beam units (40 degrees wide) so that people pulling out from
side streets or adjacent lanes will be more likely to notice your presence
and position before doing so. I no longer stock the #4415A passing lamp upgrade beam units, but you ought to be able to find them quite easily, either locally or online, with a search on *4415A sealed beam *. Insist on a good brand (GE or Wagner), and see to it the ones you get are *yellow*, not the bizarre dark brown color some of the lenses have been coming through with.

Lamp aim:

Even if your old headlamp was aimed properly, the new one must be checked and aimed to spec. Have a helper hold the bike upright while you aim the new headlamp per the "VOL" instructions and the passing lamps per the "VOR" instructions at http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html and your nighttime seeing will be a great deal safer and easier.
 
I think your getting some computer robot reply from Daniel Stern. Here's the same reply from 2011: DS Reply
He is referring to an old Harley H4 headlamp with a single H4 dual filament bulb. The newer Harley dual halogen (stock on StreetGlide) uses two bulbs and allows both bulbs to be on at the same time. When combined with passing lamps it should work great. I'll know more this spring.

Here is my thread about yellow bulbs: New-Halogen-Passing-Lamps-Tests-and-Pics

Here's the patterns per HD:

Dual Bulb.JPGHarley LED.JPGOld Halogen.JPG
 
Thanks for the response Hulkss however,
I'm not seeing the "Harley graphic" pattern with my stock setup and everything is aligned to spec. I'm disappointed in the stock dual bulb setup and Stern refers to it as well below. I should note here-I didn't add the passing lamp setup to my FLHXS.
My previous RK with passing lamps had a better light spread than I have now. I'm thinking about doing the Truck-Lite headlight in the future.
 
Well, we gotta go by what we see if Harley is publishing BS in their diagrams for light output. You may not want to rush unless you need it now, there will be more new LED headlamps for sure.
 
Well, we gotta go by what we see if Harley is publishing BS in their diagrams for light output. You may not want to rush unless you need it now, there will be more new LED headlamps for sure.

You are right my friend - I have other dragons to slay before I worry too much about headlights. BTW- thanks for all your great posts. :eek:
 
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I just installed the Daymaker LED, and I like it. Makes a big difference over the stock light.


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2014 SGS Dual Halogen Headlight or Daymakers

Looks like your blinker / running lights are the custom dynamics?

I have the truck lite phase 7 headlight


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I just installed the Daymaker LED, and I like it. Makes a big difference over the stock light.


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Looking into the Daymaker.... did you have to purchase the replacement harness that adapts to the Daymaker LED from the H9/H11 bulbs?

P/N 69200897 is what I am coming up with.... I can get connectors and make my own for less than $20...

UPDATE:

I got lazy... picked up the harness at the dealer... got my Daymaker black LED from a fellow HD brother.... waiting on the mounting ring to be delivered.
 
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I picked up the Daymaker from a buddy who was trading in his SG. I got a really good deal on it.....He didn't realize there was a different mounting bracket, so I had to order it ($50).... Got it installed. Looks like it's going to be pretty awesome, however, I haven't been able to ride it at night yet. It is obnoxiously bright, though.
Mike
 
I just installed my Daymaker.. the 2014's don't need a different mount in them... I bought one and it's exactly the same...

see..

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I love it! I got a black one...

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I love the way it looks...

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Thanks... I cant believe the difference when I rode to work at 4:30 AM

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I hate you guys ! ! ! ! ! Now I want one! :)
Anyone got a good price on them?????????? Spazz, . . . anyone?
 
I hate you guys ! ! ! ! ! Now I want one! :)
Anyone got a good price on them?????????? Spazz, . . . anyone?

I got lucky and a brother swapped from black to chrome... I got mine for $250....

DON'T BE A HATER!!!! LOL
 
I hate you guys ! ! ! ! ! Now I want one! :)
Anyone got a good price on them?????????? Spazz, . . . anyone?

Are you looking for the Daymaker??? Go to Kutterharleyonline.com Do all your shopping there, you wont regret. Anthony is a great guy to work with.
 
I have heard a lot of great things of Kutter....

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UPDATE: Mojoman bought the farm (Daymaker) ! ! ! !

Alright you guys, you convinced me to bite the bullet and get the big Kahuna headlight! I told my parts guy today the Kutter HD was selling it (MSRP $525) on line for $419.95 w/ free shipping and no sales tax. He said he could match the price so he sold me the Daymaker and the connect harness for $440 + tax. Since I spent over $300, HD has a promotion going on for a bucket w/handle stuffed full of cleaning, wax, microfiber cloths etc. they give this month which made it worth not having to order online for. I'll wait till next week to put it in when the weather . . . .yep you guessed it! Turns cold again. . . . .

and so it goes . . . . . .
 


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