HD Tuners and differences

[Mojo]

I know many of you shun the Tuners from Harley Davidson for the more versatile and user-friendly versions available in the after market world. For those of you that haven’t, I thought I would share some light on the differences between the HD Street Tuner (Part# 41000008B / MSRP $249) and the HD Super Pro Tuner (Part# 32109-08C / MSRP $459).

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In a nutshell, the Street Tuner HAS to conform to EPA A/F ratios therefore; this model incorporates 3 ONLY pre-canned maps to choose from with NO modifications option available. This unit is LEGAL in California. Generally one of these 3 maps will be selected for your bike at the dealer when you request "The Download".
The Super Pro Tuner however is flexible to be mapped across both cylinders at all RPM's and maximizes power when tweaked with a Dynometer. It is ILLEGAL in California.
With the new 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] party “Auto tuners” on the market many have and will find satisfaction by utilizing them instead. Of course there are other after market sources and our forum sponsors such as Fuel Moto. They can build and map a tuner to your bikes specifications and ship it and other performance goodies like exhaust and air breathers right to your door for installation. Good Luck !

 

[Baggerjay]

Nice write up Mojo that probably answered questions for a lot of folks. I myself run the super pro tuner which is a nice tuner but it would be nice to do it yourself like many others on this forum can. None the less thank you for passing on that info.

 

[hulkss]

In a nutshell, the Street Tuner HAS to conform to EPA A/F ratios therefore; this model incorporates 3 ONLY pre-canned maps to choose from with NO modifications option available.

The SE Street Performance Tuner Kit is better than that IMHO.

From the 2015 SE catalog: "the kit will allow you to upload the latest ECM calibrations for your bike’s legal state-of-tune. Start with a high-flow air cleaner and Street Performance mufflers, and upload the calibration that provides the best performance mix. Add a Big Bore Stage I, II or IV Stage Kit later and simply download the proper ECM calibration to match the model and hardware. Plus, you have online access to the latest factory calibrations."

More form the 2015 SE catalog:
The kit includes the Vehicle Communications Interface (VCI) module with on-board memory that can record up to 15 minutes of run-time data. The module will store information on up to 27 variables that can be downloaded to your PC via an optional USB cable, allowing the rider or technician to view and evaluate engine operating parameters. With the included software, you can download and view the bike’s air/fuel ratio, O2 sensor readings, engine speed and temperature, RPM and vehicle speed, throttle position, spark advance and many more performance characteristics. The VCI will also record and display service codes for troubleshooting and diagnostics.
The Street Tuner software includes impressive new features:
• Smart Tune Live – a dynamic and visual method to track and capture engine data simply by running the vehicle through a range of RPM and Throttle Positions. This feature reduces the time to modify existing VE (Volumetric Efficiency) tables which are then analyzed and tuned. Smart Tune Live works on models with factory-installed O2 sensors only.
• Interpolation of missing data derived from recordings, which reduces analysis time by automatically generating data that might be missed in the recording process.
• Expanded tunability of spark advance and throttle progressively (certain models only, refer to chart on page 70).
• Increased sampling rate to take advantage of the faster ECM data speeds found on select ’11-later models (CAN protocol).
• To get started with Street Performance Tuning, a free web-based training guide is available through the software or by visiting the following website: H-D.COM/STREETPERFORMANCETUNER.

NOTE: Street Tuner permits limited tunability within the emissions range to optimize drivability without compromising emission levels. It also features expanded tuning options outside of the emissions range to optimize performance.

 

[Mojo]

Hulkss- According to the seminar HD gave this past weekend; Yes you can capture valuable data with the Street Tuner model but in the final analysis, there are still only 3 canned maps available from this model.
I don't mean to belittle these tuners (I run one myself). My previous post "boils" down all the marketing fluff in the description in the P&A book. What would be nice would be offering an Auto Tune feature with this unit.

 

[hulkss]

Here's a post about the HD street tuner: street-performance-tuner

Looks like more than three base maps to me just from this one page?

 

[Bluebowtie]

My dealer is having a performance seminar on the 15th I plan on attending.


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[Lex_Talionis]

I was most likely going to get the Fuel Moto Micro Tuner that installs on the bike (not desirable to me) which only costs 200, but does everything you need for a stage 1 upgrade (pipes & breather). It is said to be a great value and Fuel Moto is said to have great customer support. I sort of considered the V&H fp3 which is not permanent installed (I like that) but it costs about 350 or more. It reprograms the ecm. Seems good and not that much more. May be worth not having to mount the micro tuner onto the bike, esp if you want to change settings down the road. I think I found a product similar to the V&H and I am leaning towards a Superchips Vigilante tuner. It reprograms the ecm and your done. The company is established but only recently got into motorcycles. It runs 300 & less. I found a good price for much less and will likely jump on that as soon as they reply to an email of mine asking about compatibility for a 2014 SGS. Check them out if you are in the market. These are only good for stage 1 mods and that's all I need. This tuner has an led display (unlike the V&H one that costs more) and can read & erase error codes.

Anybody have one?

 

[Mojo]

Lex- Several here have the FP3 and its about $300 or less now. Two strong points for it is the Auto Tune feature and the fact that you can make many mods over time and the FP3 will adapt and re-tune to them for optimal performance. Go back thru Spazz's thread and you can read more on them. By the way, there are several more auto tuning brands available these days. Fuel Moto, Jaimie and their customer service is about the finest anywhere if you decide to go that route. Good luck !

 

[Lex_Talionis]

Lex- Several here have the FP3 and its about $300 or less now. Two strong points for it is the Auto Tune feature and the fact that you can make many mods over time and the FP3 will adapt and re-tune to them for optimal performance. Go back thru Spazz's thread and you can read more on them. By the way, there are several more auto tuning brands available these days. Fuel Moto, Jaimie and their customer service is about the finest anywhere if you decide to go that route. Good luck !

Thanks MOJO. I am currently leaning toward the FP3 right now. I am about to post some info on Superchips that people better know before they buy into that system.