How high do you spin your motor?

NGOT8R

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I am curious as to how high of an rpm those of you who are running fuel management systems have spun your motors? I have been spinning mine up to 6200 and the bike pulls hard all the way there. That tells me the motor is still making power, however; without having put the bike back on the dyno, I don't know how much further I can spin it and still make useable power. I decided to turn up the wick today and will see how it does turning 7300 rpm.
 
Mine is set to 6300... I spool up and shift at 6000.... pulls harder between 5800-6000 than it does any higher than 6000... judging by seat of the pants dyno...lol

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I would like to spin it past 6000 rpm, however when looking at the kinematics of the engine, the piston velocities combined with high side load on the skirts will spell doom for the engine in short order. All three of us have been there unfortunately.

Back to a mid-range cam for me and 5700 rpm red line.
 
I am gonna get out a couple of hours from now to test it out and see how it does. Going to an Area 51 location and getting it on with a Victory Vision that has cams and an ecu flash, plus a piggyback fuel management system, ignition advancer, modified intake tract and full exhaust. He spins up to about 6500 rpm and has been a contender for a local guy with a Jims 131 motor, so we shall see.
 
I went out and represented the SG family well tonight. We made two hits (one from a 25 mph roll and the other from 40 mph roll). Race one ended with me out front by 4 bike lengths and race two ended with me out front by one bike length. I was shifting at 6500, during which I discovered that there is no need to spin the motor up to 7300. Having said that, I will lower the rev limiter to 6500 and shift at 6200 during future skirmishes.
 
If you post your torque curve from a dyno I can calculate your optimum shift points. When the rear wheel torque lines cross it's time to shift.

Like this:

Shift Points 120ST.jpgShift Points.jpg
 
Thanks hulk, I'll have to get to the dyno with my current setup before I can get that information for you. I have been wanting to see what kind of power my motor is making.
 
My rev limit is set at 6800 but I usually try and keep her around 6500. hey Hulk can you calculate my best shift point.dyno.jpg
 
hey Hulk can you calculate my best shift point.View attachment 13599

Sure, but your scan is missing the unit labels on the vertical axis.

If you don't have the original chart to re-scan or photograph, the dyno operator should be able to email you the run file from the dyno. I can open those with Dynojet software.
 
My rev limit is set at 6800 but I usually try and keep her around 6500. hey Hulk can you calculate my best shift point.View attachment 13599


Evil with those numbers shift when ever the hell you want. Nobody will be around that beast to see the shift. I must say I would love to have those numbers that bike is a flippen beast.
 
Here you go hulk. I took a quick shot with the phone and didn't pay attention to the sides. try this one. BaggerJay you have to be on your toes when your playing with her. She goes from sweet to EVIL real fast. lolIMG_0084.jpg
 
Here you go. Turbo Shift.jpg
With all that torque, you are quickest shifting at a safe rpm. Nice!
 
Hulk, sorry for the dumb question but I would like to better understand your chart.

It has the ft.lbs. on the Y axis going over 2,000 is that correct?
I must be missing something about how this chart is created with the information obtained on the dyno chart.
 
Hulk, sorry for the dumb question but I would like to better understand your chart.

It has the ft.lbs. on the Y axis going over 2,000 is that correct?
I must be missing something about how this chart is created with the information obtained on the dyno chart.

That is rear wheel torque on my chart. The dyno chart shows engine crank shaft torque as measured at the rear wheel. Rear wheel torque is 9.6 times greater than crank shaft torque in first gear. Each time you shift up, there is less rear wheel torque, do to the change in gear ratio.
 


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