Been thinking about the 110 stage III kit. HD #92500035. Was told to be cautious because the spigot that is turned down to fit in the 103 case is only .034" thick and weak. Anyone hear of issues?
110 kit for 103 case.
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I would do a 107" build using your cylinders.ide give this HD 110" kit a while to see if guys have probs with them (which i think they will)
Actually having that Stage III part number#92500035 installed as we speak. I live in the northeast though so it will be a while before I can give a review. I have been reading a lot on the forum and on other sites.Seems like everybody has there opinion on the thin spigot wall. I am giving it a shot though because I am sure there was a lot of testing done before it was released and the last thing the moco wants is a bunch of issues with these kits given the current state of affairs. Besides I think it was the best bang for my buck and fit my riding style the best. I can't wait for April!!
Keep us updated, please. Bang for buck is part of my formula as well as warranty issues. I have the 5 year ESP. We tour alot, also, so wondering about application.
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Thanks, SG19. Gonna hang tight and run this for awhile. With my Rinehart true duals, SE Ventilator a/c and SE race tuner, I'm at 81.76hp and 97.08 tq. It runs pretty good now.
The lifters in that kit are NOT MADE IN U.S.A. & there's tooling issues in some. Sorry H-D... But you know it's true. I strongly considered that kit until I did some extensive research. I'm totally aware that it's all about $$, and bean counters rule the MoCo.
There may be other issues as well, but my engine builder will NOT install this kit w/o at least the lifters being discarded (H-D won't take 'em back) and quality lifters used in their place. His reputation is on the line.
There may be other issues as well, but my engine builder will NOT install this kit w/o at least the lifters being discarded (H-D won't take 'em back) and quality lifters used in their place. His reputation is on the line.
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Anybody else have any info or input on this? just curious as I said I am in the process of having that kit installed.
Hey Bulldog
It's like anything else. If YOU feel comfortable with it, go for it. I heard that I should wait and see if there are issues. I did. My engine builder said he had issues with the lifters, and I also mentioned it to Doc Weaver, the dyno guy I use to tune my bike. He said he is aware of the same "lifter" quality issues. I researched on several other forums and spoke with my dealer...
The dealers service manager said he's not aware of ANY issues.
He told me that they have a WORKSHOP this coming Saturday that will cover the various Stage upgrades and I could run it by a factory rep. I cannot attend but hopefully my dealers service dept will learn something.
I have decided to go with the 120ST or 120R next year, but that too may change. ASK YOUR SERVICE TECH. If he says the parts are top shelf, then only YOU have to decide.
I'm simply passing on what I, personally learned. Good luck. I mean that.
It's like anything else. If YOU feel comfortable with it, go for it. I heard that I should wait and see if there are issues. I did. My engine builder said he had issues with the lifters, and I also mentioned it to Doc Weaver, the dyno guy I use to tune my bike. He said he is aware of the same "lifter" quality issues. I researched on several other forums and spoke with my dealer...
The dealers service manager said he's not aware of ANY issues.
He told me that they have a WORKSHOP this coming Saturday that will cover the various Stage upgrades and I could run it by a factory rep. I cannot attend but hopefully my dealers service dept will learn something.
I have decided to go with the 120ST or 120R next year, but that too may change. ASK YOUR SERVICE TECH. If he says the parts are top shelf, then only YOU have to decide.
I'm simply passing on what I, personally learned. Good luck. I mean that.
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I had this kit installed last week. This kit comes without a tuner. Even though I already had the Cobra Fi2000 Pro tuner I had the Screamin Eagle Pro Super Tuner installed. Total cost of the kit, tuner, 15k mile service and labor (with dyno time) was $3039.00
The first thing I noticed, obviously, was the sound of the exhaust. At idle it still sounds similar to stock just more angry. When starting off from a stop the thought in my head was "this SOB pulls like a freight train" Just barely crack the throttle and your at 3500 rpm a lot quicker than usual and that's when the exhaust note hits you. Lol, I was startled by this monster I was hearing, at the same time I realized the beast I was hearing under me and she's roaring wanting to be unleashed.
So after the euphoria of the first ride subsided I was able to put 150 miles on her. So far the only negative thing I've noticed is that the valve train is more noisy compared to stock but when under acceleration it quiets down. I know some people have complained about the 103 being noisy but mine was very quite. So maybe now it sounds normal?
Right now there is only a base map installed and actually runs very smooth. I'm in the process of getting 500 miles on her and then she goes to the dyno for a final tune.
Although early in the process I am pleased with the build.
The first thing I noticed, obviously, was the sound of the exhaust. At idle it still sounds similar to stock just more angry. When starting off from a stop the thought in my head was "this SOB pulls like a freight train" Just barely crack the throttle and your at 3500 rpm a lot quicker than usual and that's when the exhaust note hits you. Lol, I was startled by this monster I was hearing, at the same time I realized the beast I was hearing under me and she's roaring wanting to be unleashed.
So after the euphoria of the first ride subsided I was able to put 150 miles on her. So far the only negative thing I've noticed is that the valve train is more noisy compared to stock but when under acceleration it quiets down. I know some people have complained about the 103 being noisy but mine was very quite. So maybe now it sounds normal?
Right now there is only a base map installed and actually runs very smooth. I'm in the process of getting 500 miles on her and then she goes to the dyno for a final tune.
Although early in the process I am pleased with the build.
Thanks for the info. Like I said it was the kit that fit me the best and I have found similar responses to the kit like yours from other sites ....from people who have had it installed. the only negative I have really seen is from people who have not had it installed. I thank everybody for their input and info and respect every ones opinion. after all that's why I am here to hear the good and bad so I can make a somewhat educated decision. I know how this goes all depends on parts and builder. keeping my fingers crossed everything works out well.
Bulldog, I had the Stage V 110 kit installed in mine over the winter. I haven't heard about lifter issues until now, but I will ask my dealer if they have heard about any issues. I went with the HD kit because of the bang for the buck issue like most have. I priced the 107 kits as well and most were same or more and I would have had to go out of state to have installed which I refuse to do. I have had other HD stage kits installed and have had no issues and have been happy with power. When I get bike back in spring I will post my impressions and any issues I might have along with numbers when I get it dyno'd.
I spoke to my dealer the other day. They said they have not heard of any issues. They said if they had they would have recommended after market rollers or what ever part they were having problems with. I trust this guy because several times I have asked about upgrades that he has told me it was not necessary or waste of money. They have not steered me wrong. I also have a PV auto tuner. My total price was $2,300 installed and dyno so I think it was well worth it. I will definitely review it once I get her out.
I think I have narrowed down my motor project.
With the latest info I got from my dealer the kit will probably be HD #92500021. SE Pro Twin Cooled 103 Stage III 10.75:1 Compression, pistons, SE259E cams, valve springs, .030 over perfect fit push rods, clutch diaphragm spring, SE roller tappets, cam bearings. With my Rinehart True Duals and my SE ventilator a/c, a previous bike they did came in at 105 tq. & 96 hp. I am at 96 tq. and 80 hp. now. I may spend the extra and do the 58mm throttle body and the SE ported heads. Have to research how much more they would give me for the money. Just need the dead presidents now. I still want to tour long distance with the bike so hopefully this won't mess our rideability or comfort.
With the latest info I got from my dealer the kit will probably be HD #92500021. SE Pro Twin Cooled 103 Stage III 10.75:1 Compression, pistons, SE259E cams, valve springs, .030 over perfect fit push rods, clutch diaphragm spring, SE roller tappets, cam bearings. With my Rinehart True Duals and my SE ventilator a/c, a previous bike they did came in at 105 tq. & 96 hp. I am at 96 tq. and 80 hp. now. I may spend the extra and do the 58mm throttle body and the SE ported heads. Have to research how much more they would give me for the money. Just need the dead presidents now. I still want to tour long distance with the bike so hopefully this won't mess our rideability or comfort.
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Found a different description the web from the one I saw at the dealer. The dealer description showed 10.75:1 compression. The one on the web showed 11.2:1. This is getting up there. To those that know more than I, which should a lot of you, what's the trade off for high compression? Seems like this would be harder on the bottom end with a fair amount of heat off the engine. Would love more thoughts on this. Like I said earlier, still want to tour with this bike comfortably and be able to putts around town without issues.
