I don't know what's the deal on why HD will not produce more HP on their motors like Victory now Indian....they need to step up or they will see more and more people moving toward other brand of bikes. I hear so many people bragging about Indian Chieftan on how powerful the motor is so I will have to test ride one when I am in Vegas this week. I rode on about 6 months ago and I was so disappointed with all the hype on the power behind it. I thought it was a joke but I may have rode one that was not running right.....we'll see this week.